Curse

roshanabey2 · May 08, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

I am no saint, and I admit I have moaned about ecto or whatever in the past. But when I think about, what gives me the right.

As a community we do a lot of moaning about, well, absolutely anything the game, though I not sure if it is a guild wars guru problem because i have no idea how much gwonline complains. Think about it, unlike games like wow or lineage or we make a one time payment. When I buy a game (one campaign) for around £15-25 (regardless of it being a mmo) I expect 50 hours of gameplay, so in essence i am paying for what it says on the box . Now it being a mmo, but still largly taking account the price of it, I expect 150 hours of gameplay (1 campaign). Now with 3 campaigns and 1 expansion pack that would be 450(3 campaigns) + 100 hours (gwen) = 550 hours of gamesplay. I have spent 819 hours playing guild wars and that is with 2 campaigns and 1 expansion pack with no extras. That is a bargain I reckon, 819 hours of gameplay in the last 21 months. for £60 worth of games. I don't see why Anet should be providing more that that, but they do it anyway.

On the topic of grinding, trust me when I say the community is thinking as a mob rather a individuals. Think about it, firstly you don't need these grind titles to the game, and secondly and most importantly do you think you would be playing the game without this 'grind'? The answer is no. If the all the titles were campaign based rep/points or lower rep/points needed, do you think you will be playing the game,or pve atleast, as much as you are now? You can argue you that you can farm or whatever but seriosly how long can you do that for? Even for pvp, as ungrind like as they are, if the points need for hero and gladiatore and co were lower will you be playing? No- because it is considered you have completed the game. once you have finish/maxed everything in a game that is a completed game mmo or not. Repetedly doing something over and over again is nothing unique to guild wars and all games not just mmos it exists. And compaed to other mmos guild wars has no little or no grind.

On the topic of econonomy- It isn't that bad. Back in 2005 to early 2007 it was only the rich (a minority) that prospered, now the rich are a bit poorer, but still rich and the people in the middle are now richer. As far as i cam see it the econmy revolves aroung the ecto and it the ecto prices are high the rest of it is high and the ecto prices are low everything else is low. For example if ecto is 10k ea and random item A at that time is 100km (lets call this period A 2005-2007), and ecto drops to 5k and random item drops to 50k (lets call this period B 2007 onwards), it really does not make a differnce. You may be saying it does make a diffence but it doesn't because if you are farming ectos at 5k ea to buy random item A (period B) rather than farming ectos at 10k ea to buy random item A (period A) you will still have to farm ecto 10 times to get that item. In fact the rich proper more form this as they get to buy these items at 50k cheaper. Also it ineviteble that prices will drop, think about it since 2005 there were less experienced players that farm for money in ratio to those who don't but by 2008 there are more, but still less in ration to those that don't, experienced players farming for money, as though they didn't advance as fast as those that did in 2005 had enough time to do so in the space of 1-3 years. The new economy doesn't hurt anyone it actually helps people, the rich can buy things for cheaper prices they are just not making their 100k a week as they used to but making 50k instead and as i said before it not like that can no longer afford that randon item A anymore, it is not like they have shares in ecto anyway, because you can't have shares in a game!

On the topic of skil balancing- Apart for the pve skills (Ursan

) and a few derv skills I don't think izzy is doing a bad job.

(There a few more I want to add but can't think of them atm

)

And most of impotantly you have no obligation to play this game.
I have no problem with sugesting things to Anet but we as a community bash them. They do listen, obviosly not as much as wow, as we have no obligation to them, but who wants constant nefing and buffing of things. Edit:And yes I undestand the sheer irony of what i say, but you bash and bully them, and expect so much them from them. The fact that you expect so much delivered.

Squishy ftw · May 08, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Because we have the right to do so ?

People will always moan, whether it's justified or not.

Tyla · May 08, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

This game isn't an MMO, it's a CORPG.

And yeah, without a playerbase, where will the money come in?

lyra_song · May 08, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

i only bitch and moan when im bored.

Red Sonya · May 08, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

What gives me the right? Because on the very GW official site it tells us to goto unoffical forums and leave them feedback. If the feedback is in the way of a moan so beit, but, that's opinionated in the eyes of someone elses view of the post. Your topic could be considered a moan by many. Moaning about moaners. Really the question should be...."Why should I question what other people do?" "Who am I to place judgement on others?" "Why shouldn't I remove the four foot beam from my own eyes before questioning the splinter in other peoples eyes?"

Remember when you point your finger at one person there's 3 more pointing back at you.

Kattar · May 08, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

The internet.

Now where's my cookie for winning the thread?

natural_Causes · May 08, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Let me counter your question with a question. What gives you the right to moan about our moaning?

Nazar Razak · May 08, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

This game isn't an MMO, it's a CORPG.

And yeah, without a playerbase, where will the money come in?

From people who bought the game? This isnt a p2p MMO.
The Majority (ill say) of people play the game and dont care, or even know about a "broken economy" or "unfair skills".

Taco Bell · May 08, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by roshanabey2

I am no saint, and I admit I have moaned about ecto or whatever in the past. But when I think about, what gives me the right.

As a community we do a lot of moaning about, well, absolutely anything the game, though I not sure if it is a guild wars guru problem because i have no idea how much gwonline complains. Think about it, unlike games like wow or lineage or we make a one time payment. When I buy a game (one campaign) for around £15-25 (regardless of it being a mmo) I expect 50 hours of gameplay, so in essence i am paying for what it says on the box . Now it being a mmo, but still largly taking account the price of it, I expect 150 hours of gameplay (1 campaign). Now with 3 campaigns and 1 expansion pack that would be 450(3 campaigns) + 100 hours (gwen) = 550 hours of gamesplay. I have spent 819 hours playing guild wars and that is with 2 campaigns and 1 expansion pack with no extras. That is a bargain I reckon, 819 hours of gameplay in the last 21 months. for £60 worth of games. I don't see why Anet should be providing more that that, but they do it anyway.

On the topic of grinding, trust me when I say the community is thinking as a mob rather a individuals. Think about it, firstly you don't need these grind titles to the game, and secondly and most importantly do you think you would be playing the game without this 'grind'? The answer is no. If the all the titles were campaign based rep/points or lower rep/points needed, do you think you will be playing the game,or pve atleast, as much as you are now? You can argue you that you can farm or whatever but seriosly how long can you do that for? Even for pvp, as ungrind like as they are, if the points need for hero and gladiatore and co were lower will you be playing? No- because it is considered you have completed the game. once you have finish/maxed everything in a game that is a completed game mmo or not. Repetedly doing something over and over again is nothing unique to guild wars and all games not just mmos it exists. And compaed to other mmos guild wars has no little or no grind.

On the topic of econonomy- It isn't that bad. Back in 2005 to early 2007 it was only the rich (a minority) that prospered, now the rich are a bit poorer, but still rich and the people in the middle are now richer. As far as i cam see it the econmy revolves aroung the ecto and it the ecto prices are high the rest of it is high and the ecto prices are low everything else is low. For example if ecto is 10k ea and random item A at that time is 100km (lets call this period A 2005-2007), and ecto drops to 5k and random item drops to 50k (lets call this period B 2007 onwards), it really does not make a differnce. You may be saying it does make a diffence but it doesn't because if you are farming ectos at 5k ea to buy random item A (period B) rather than farming ectos at 10k ea to buy random item A (period A) you will still have to farm ecto 10 times to get that item. In fact the rich proper more form this as they get to buy these items at 50k cheaper. Also it ineviteble that prices will drop, think about it since 2005 there were less experienced players that farm for money in ratio to those who don't but by 2008 there are more, but still less in ration to those that don't, experienced players farming for money, as though they didn't advance as fast as those that did in 2005 had enough time to do so in the space of 1-3 years. The new economy doesn't hurt anyone it actually helps people, the rich can buy things for cheaper prices they are just not making their 100k a week as they used to but making 50k instead and as i said before it not like that can no longer afford that randon item A anymore, it is not like they have shares in ecto anyway, because you can't have shares in a game!

On the topic of skil balancing- Apart for the pve skills (Ursan

) and a few derv skills I don't think izzy is doing a bad job.

(There a few more I want to add but can't think of them atm

)

And most of impotantly you have no obligation to play this game.
I have no problem with sugesting things to Anet but we as a community bash them. They do listen, obviosly not as much as wow, as we have no obligation to them, but who wants constant nefing and buffing of things.

We have the right to moan as the post above suggested, and as YOU are MOANING at the community within your post.

MOANING AND GROANING AT PEOPLE FTW!

snaek · May 08, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by roshanabey2

do you think you would be playing the game without this 'grind'? The answer is hells yeaya

fixed

-___-'

IslandHermet · May 08, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by natural_Causes

Let me counter your question with a question. What gives you the right to moan about our moaning?

let me counter your question with another one.

what gives you the right to moan about him moaning about us moaning all the time?

truemyths · May 08, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

The only people complaining are the leetists.

Case in point, Ursan. It's just a handful of the millions of players out there pissed. Because those millions are happy cuz they have a way of accessing areas/achievements they couldn't before.

the only think broken are the players attitudes.

Smile Like Umean It · May 08, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

It isn't a right to moan, it's a right to leave feedback and better a game. Without it I doubt there would be anywhere near the amount of improvements or increase in the amount of players that this or any other game has.

Some people choose to do it in a moaning fashion. Ironically the very thing you're doing while dissing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazar Razak

From people who bought the game? This isnt a p2p MMO.

Uh, wouldn't that be the player base?

hippo942 · May 08, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

How are they meant to improve if they don't know what there customers think

natural_Causes · May 08, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandHermet

let me counter your question with another one.

what gives you the right to moan about him moaning about us moaning all the time?

Very valid point. I can answer in two words:

Quote:

The internet

Free Runner · May 08, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

If there was no moaning the forum would be a very boring place. Unless your into the epic SDZ threads we get each day.

roshanabey2 · May 08, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

when i said 'what give us the right' they were very strong words, because I have the same right to moan about you have to maon about Anet, what I meant to say is stop Anet bashing!

Stockholm · May 08, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Every Goddamnd bug thats not mentiond on the carton, or the manual, I got that right when A-Net accepted my money.

Tyla · May 08, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazar Razak

From people who bought the game? This isnt a p2p MMO.

The cost of the game, the online store, the PlayNC store?

Fangclaw · May 08, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Why do we moan? Because we have the right to do so; dont we live in Democracy?

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